I'm seeing a lot of familiarities here..... so many people saying "Yes, do eeeet" while looking through rose tinted glass. Then when it arrives, we get another WiS because it's out of EVE and CCP's element and they end up botching it. At that point hundreds, maybe even thousands of man-hours are lost, and we've sacrificed a COMPLETE POS overhaul like they've been talking about, or maybe even something better in the name of completing this exploration with avatars.

They didn't spent 2 years on the CQ. They spent two years on the Carbon engine, which we have been reaping the benefits of ever since. Those amazing expansions you talk about have only been possible because of those two years working on Carbon. The hard work is done now, the engine is finished and they've been using it for years, they just need to make more WiS content.

I forget myself, a lot of you are expecting and advocating WIS to be a safe theme park as evidenced by the quote below.

PvP is much more than "I shot your face".

Answer the question and then I'll answer yours.

I'd rather she answered the question thanks.

No need to white night here.

My inspiration were Syndicate & Deus Ex.

Well, we can see just how succesful are the less-safe envionments in EVE, and in what high demand they are: Wormholes and lowsec, those places in New Eden which make Greenland look overcrowded...

I guess that it would make a lot of sense to make station interiors and then turn them into lowsec -nobody in local but a AFK cloaker and a bored gang of wannabe droogs...

Now seriously, stations are safe from non consentual fighting and they must stay this way. Consentual fighting, that would be another question... chessboxing comes to mind... or maybe some mud wrestling.

Actually doing that will get you banned pretty quick. Thou shalt not intentionally target new players. It's in the rules and if they get so much as a sniff that you're doing it you'll be looking at a temp or perma-ban pretty quickly.

I think maybe you guys who're suggesting petitions and stuff are maybe trying to create a storm in a cup of water. I know you're probably as pessimistic as I am but also think we should give them the benefit of doubt and wait to see what they'll deliver in the next 1-2 years.

How much of the so much needed re balancing stuff ,UI overhaul and new space graphics would be done by now if that Dustcrap did not exist.

I wonder if there is any scope for the work of the World of Darkness team to feed back into EVE. I saw some videos where they were showing how they were going about building large urban environments which could be used to build station interiors/and derelicts.

The way they optimize the graphics engine for crowded scenes with lots of avatars could be useful too.

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WiS is a massive technical undertaking, and there are more pressing matters on the table. It can't be slowly implemented over the course of several expansions - while content for it may be, someone has to write a functional backend for it. Currently there likely is no backend - WiS is a clientside interface.

You'd have to pull devs away from the promised POS revamp and "war on lag" to do it. Neglect of those matters (promises and issues that lingered from since before Incarna, mind you) was what contributed in a major way to the Summer of Rage.

If the game has literally no content besides running around doing nothing, it'll be a short trip for them.

Malcanis, rather bluntly, yes it was. I watched major alliances in a foot race to try and sew up Plasma worlds in PI, Of the things released this expansion, the only one that did not benefit Alliances, particularly low and null sec ones, more than anyone else, was the tractor beam deployable.

Ghost site spawns seem to be overwhelmingly nullsec (latest estimates I've seen were 4-5 sites across the entirety of Empire at any one time, vs 6 or more per nullsec region).

The new ship is available more cheaply in null sec (meaning 'to goonswarm' in this case) .

The new depot deployable heavily nerfs solo pvp in low and null sec in favor of large gangs. The other one penalizes unwatched POS moon sites. Now these do have uses for players other than Alliances, don't get me wrong, but the biggest benefit is theirs.

And this has been going on for years.

If you stop and look at the numbers, something like 1/5th of EvE players are in a nullsec alliance. 4/5ths live in empire. If you look at expansions overall since launch, 20% of players have gotten 60% of content. Now, I understand that eve is all about Risk v Reward, but the way it's handled tends to alienate new players after a few months. Because those nullsec alliances don't want noobs, typically, they want seasoned players, this has led to the current plateau in server population.

We need more accessible content in empire. Not necessarily better paying content, but enough content to actually keep players hooked until they can go on to do alliances. Or whatever.

You are not thinking of them in the right terms. You go hunting solo, find a nice target all by his lonesome. Used to be it was then over if he didn't have stabs fitted. Now he just fits stabs anywhere and and warp away. The only way to catch and hold anyone before they run now if solo is with bubbles.

Also, do you have any idea how many siphon would have to be running to noticeably impact the operations of a large alliance? The only people they put a serious crimp on are the ones that only have a few moons.

When was the last time you had a blue blob? Almost everything I see anymore is hot dropping the biggest cap fleet possible followed by a titan bridge. Set up a bunch of bubbles pr dictors on the gate, and a couple guys with cynos.

How about not all, except for a very select group of people.

Some fun stats can be found at http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/161511-1

3225 post, 448 posters.

Top 10 posters have written 40%+ of all posts (top 15 breaks 50%).

And 8.7% of all posts have been written by a Fazmarai ;)

what I am seeing is the suggestion that they should (or even need to) direct even more of their efforts away from EVE and into another game, but this time we'll build it into the client and call it part of EVE to make the sub numbers get bigger without actually solving the 'problem' of EVE's plateau.

What is the idea that EVE needs a new game built into it for a new playerbase in order to survive if not the idea that EVE, the spaceship game, is dying?

I think that was only a client side hack, replacing the video stream file in the client. Getting live video from space should be very different and problematic.

I think you are most definitely wrong. If you don't like pvp then you are playing the wrong game.
Go back to WoW etc.

Why do people think WiS should have no pvp?
If anything it should be pvp focused! all the chest-thumping pvpers in this game are the same lot who hide in stations and trash talk local.

Not everyone wants WiS to be a /dance RP thing

Eve really fails at its claim at being hardcore PvP when players are 100% invulnerble AND safe docked up. regardless of a system sec status/

Allow my dust toon to kick down a door and tea bag local trash talking Johny Kilboard.

seriously, grouping all WiS supporters as PvEing carebears space barbies is misleading, Some of want more pvp, more danger, more risk in this game.

CCP claiming eve is a hardcore pvp game is such fallacy, WiS is the perfect way to shake the game up and make trash talking "pvp" celebrities feel the vulnerbility they should feel.

Well, I know this isn't even a point worthy of consideration for most people, but unless you want to bin 10 years of backstory, it's because we die outside of our pods for real

People kept buggering CCP for avatar gameplay likely from the day EVE was released, I remember seeing posts about it somewhere around 2004-2005 already. And people will keep buggering CCP about it until they do it right.

I see: you mean that we should do as the people who, for years, asked CCP by land, air and sea, to please-please-please implement player built stargates leading to unknown space so the big alliances had more toys to war about.

I recall perfectly the threadnaughts, the desperate pleas, the forum pressure, the CSM campaigning of all the people who has begged, suggested, convinced, forced, CCP to implement the Hallelujah Plan as the players envisioned it...

Still posting? Not going to find some references/posts/proof for your bull earlier? If you can't back any of your posts, why are you posting?